If what he says is true then Dutch tax is awfully high. The other thing the US has higher pay AND most goods and services cost considerably less so theres a double benefit. That's when the magic happens.. Sadly Harald, all these things you mention, travelling all over the world, playing in the best halls, do nothing, if anything, to contribute financially to a players ability to live a life comparable to that of, say, a well trained, well paid engineer, doctor, surgeon, head teacher, none of whom is required regularly and often to travel the world as part of their career. I dont deny that the Concertgebouw Orchestra is a top, top, top orchestra that is true. [24] In August 2020, the orchestra announced the appointment of a new three-person managing board, naming Dominik Winterling as Chairman. Children up to age 15 and CJP Stadspas cardholders pay just 19,54. Since we have already Gtterdmmerung, who would need Das Reich? And in a week you make about 20 times or more of what those noisy musician proletarians make in the same week. So all of this distresses me a bit because like many things in life, someone in the Berlin Philharmonic isnt really paid the value of the benefit the orchestra provides to the world artistically, while as a lawyer I get paid quite a bit more and well, the pluses and minuses of lawyers can always be argued and I suspect to get to a top orchestra you have to fight far more than you do to get to be part of a top law firm. . Mariss Jansons made his RCO debut in 1988. ( and this is my 13th season here) ; thats not very good considering the life in Paris where the cost living is very expensive. Concertgebouw, Amsterdam orchestra concert hall. . All three composers died less than 70 years ago. . I'd love to invite you all to have a look at my budding art page. [16] On 2 August 2018, the orchestra dismissed Gatti as chief conductor with immediate effect, following complaints of "inappropriate" behaviour with female musicians. etc. 'I heard the Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra for the first time when I was still a student. Joined: 08 Dec 2009. [1] He is also a founding member of the Dutch trombone ensemble, New Trombone Collective, and Professor of Trombone at the Amsterdam Conservatory. The Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra (Dutch: Koninklk Concertgebouworkest, pronounced [konnklk knsrtxburkst]) is a Dutch symphony orchestra, based at the Amsterdam Royal Concertgebouw (concert hall). It is a multi-faceted topic worthy of discussion from multiple angles no-one can be right, per se. After Van Beinum's death, from 1961 to 1963, Haitink and Eugen Jochum shared the post of chief conductor of the orchestra. I dont consider that excessive at all, but thats another question. If it is true that RCO is not attracting excellent musicians, or if they are losing excellent musicians because they can make more elsewhere, this is a reason to increase their salary. They are opinions. Gross (beginning) salary for tutti- and solo-musicians of WDR and Gewandhausorchester are very considerable higher than the sums here written. Then in the case of the players of reed instruments, (oboes, bassoons, clarinets) there is the no small matter of outlay on material and tools for creating reeds. In order for them to keep the level something must fundamentally change since they are loosing the battle for the best musicians to orchestras where they pay 3 to 4 times more and where the cost of living is 2 times lower. Needless to say, they should be making twice that much, as in the LA Phil, for example. One should keep in mind tat these people aretaxed to death in Germany. Imagine paying more than half your income over a certain level to government. But what is gotten for European-level taxations doesnt typically close the gap. That has nothing to do with the salary. The first was played by the BPO with considerable passion under Runnicles. The Sunday Morning Concert Take a look inside the hall Upcoming concerts Tue, Feb 28, 2023 Mnchner Philharmoniker & Lorenzo Viotti: Mahler's Symphony No. 140 in 1970 is 2198 today. Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra is most often considered to be Classical, Classical Performance, Orchestra, Orchestral, and Symphony Orchestra. But many of the core LSO members. Let me be clear that the current salary is not bad in comparison to the minimum wage. Now more than ever, the Concertgebouw Orchestra needs your support, too. Ira died in 1983, so those songs will be generating royalties for a long time. You might be right that a salary increase is needed, but this is not because the musicians are not able to lead decent lives on this salary. . THEN lets have a REAL discussion about money and inequality in the classical music world. Annoying, Von der Linde, that you are arguing with people without providing any numbers of your own. . Willem Mengelberg (1871-1951) laid the foundation for the orchestra's acclaimed Gustav Mahler tradition. Nein, Herr Rckel, mit Verlaub! In order to be able to be the best of the world in the future the salaries really need a big raise to be able to keep competing for the best musicians since salaries of the others keep raising. Add to the financial burden of providing and maintaining the instruments the cost per hour of individual practice, and the overall hourly rate starts to diminish quite rapidly. According to foreign media, the orchestra 's circle of 20, who lives in Amsterdam, unofficially released his annual income. Yes, but this says more about the Amsterdam property market then about the salary of RCO musicians. The complaint here seems to be more about the exorbitant tax rate in the Netherlands (not specific to musicians) than about the salary itself, which is really not bad. Symphony orchestra of Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Other long tenures at major orchestras include. They could offer sponsorship. Musicians who served as "second conductor" were all Dutch and included the composer Cornelis Dopper, Evert Cornelis and Eduard van Beinum. . But you lose the sympathy of the public, if you engage in such hyperbolic comparisons and self pity. I wonder when the salaries of top conductors in German state-funded orchestras will be made public. As a first step we encourage you to take membership at US$79/59 a year, or $165/125 for three years. As a first step we encourage you to take membership at US$79/59 a year, or $165/125 for three years. And so to compare in a totally fair way, one would need to account for all of the benefits offered to taxpayers in The Netherlands! symphony orchestra of the Netherlands, based in Amsterdam. Considered one of the world's leading orchestras, Queen Beatrix conferred the "Royal" title upon the orchestra in 1988. Can anyone tell us what the Met and New York Phil pay? We are doing our best to ensure that Slipped Disc is free to all readers. between Berlin or London or Los Angeles. Info & tickets. Let me repeat what I said above, just to be sure, the 55% claim is plainly false. The same setup exists at the Philharmonia, RPO and LPO. In June 2022, the RCO announced the appointment of Mkel as an artistic partner for the period of 20222027, and subsequently as its next chief conductor, effective with the 20272028 season, with an initial contract of 5 years.[19][20]. It is also a measure, for how much additional income on the side from other gigs and teaching jobs is possible for tenured orchestra musicians. The login page will open in a new tab. We kicked it off with an exclusive survey of German orchestras. Many people with pretty good jobs cannot afford to buy or rent houses in/near the Amsterdam city centre. Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra - A Selection Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra Beethoven: Egmont Overture, Op. In April 2014, the orchestra announced the scheduled conclusion of Jansons' tenure as chief conductor after the 201415 season. The Royal Concertgebouw (in Dutch: Koninklijk Concertgebouw), is a concert hall in Amsterdam, the Netherlands. also have skills but in a country there are thousands of people that can do these jobs with some proper training as in these highly skilled jobs there are only a few of them. Considered one of the world's leading orchestras,[1] Queen Beatrix conferred the "Royal" title upon the orchestra in 1988. [11] As the first non-Dutchman to hold the post, Chailly served as chief conductor from 1988 to 2004. In the US, non-profit orgs like orchestras must reveal the top 5 salaries paid because the public has some right to know what the tax-deductible donations that support the org are going for. And Im also not saying that the musicians *shouldnt* earn more. Riccardo Chailly made his debut with the Concertgebouw Orchestra in 1985, and was elected that year as their next chief conductor to succeed Haitink. MahlerFestival Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra, MyungWhun Chung: Mahler's 5th Symphony at Gewandhaus. I find it quite shocking the two symphonies were never played. Ludwig van Beethoven: Missa solemnis in D major, Op. Are they overpaid? And the people wonder why, with fingers poised at their foreheads, people have tax minimization schemes. 30,000/(46 weeks x 50 hours) works out at just over 13 per hour (before tax and social deductions), and out of which instrument purchase and maintenance have to come. Since someone mentioned taxes to death up above, its worth mentioning that in major American orchestras, musicians are WORKED to death! Or taxed to have: Even if from behind a curtain Wunderkind X sounds indistinguishable from Perlman, Perlmans fees will be higher because of his history and reputation. Others dont even come close. Anyone interested in the Dutch Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra? Concertgebouworkest, officially: Koninklijk Concertgebouworkest (Amsterdam, The Netherlands). Im not saying its huge, Im just saying that many people live more then decent lives with much less, also in and near Amsterdam. [25], The RCO has begun to issue CDs on its own label, RCO Live, as conducted by Jansons and Haitink among others.[26]. Wisse, Kees, notes to Q-Disc Issue "Eduard Van Beinum: The Radio Recordings", Q-Disc (translated Lodewijk Od, Ko Kooman and Chris Gordon). Membership benefits will include a daily digest of stories delivered to your email, and occasional exclusive offers from our partners. TM, would you make the same argument for a surgeon, a pilot or any comparable highly skilled jobs that only a small group of people are able to do? I would also like to know the salary of the Music Director. The New York Philharmonic. Does anyone have an idea of principal or sectional pay in Euro or know where I might . Peters salary is as high as it is because he is better than most. The Aurora Orchestra. Not as well as the Gershwin estate, whose source of wealth died 80 years ago. Yes its certainly an interesting and important debate. But I think your taxation rate is excessive from the figures youve provided. However, like every other news site, we have costs to bear and are urging readers to help share them. Remuneration in the very top US orchestras is a minimum of $150K, with some having private pensions of $80K on top of that, plus government Social Security. Those are the earnings before the tax apply (in Germany would go between 30-40-50 percentage), Also, any economy function different. What about some info on UK orchestral salaries? Quite possibly they should. In October 2014, the RCO announced the appointment of Gatti as its seventh chief conductor, effective in 2016. FYI a previous inquiry: conductors, as a general rule, make $1M or more for leading a major orchestra. More recently, Nikolaus Harnoncourt served as Honorary Guest Conductor of the RCO, beginning in 2000, and leading his final performance with the RCO in October 2013.